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Old Feb 25th 2015, 03:22 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by ScrapperX View Post
1) What immediately stands out is the compression ratio 13.2:1 for the R and 12.6:1 for the base/S - Advantage R

2) Weight 406 lbs wet for the R and 420 lbs wet for the S/base Advantage R

3) Torque 100.5 ft-lbs @ 10,250 RPM's for the R and 106 Ft-lbs @ 8,750 RPMs advantage R (even though the S/base has more torque you really don't want your max torque to come on too early in the rev range).

4) R- $33,995 USD, S $24,995, Base $19,295

As it stands out the door performance wise the R is the better bike due to the compression ratio, weight, and proper torque placement in the rev range. if you like to tinker and do Mods. You can easily turn a base into a superior bike with less money than an R with higher compression pistons new cam , aftermarket Ohlins and light wheels. I think the R is basically tapped out in performance before you have to start using race gas all the time. For the base/S there is a lot of room for improvement to make one hell of a bike. I would do it all over again with a base model because I know with $14,700 to spend the way I want it, I can easily have a superior bike than the R with a base.

Warning! it will be very expensive to try and drop 16 lbs off the bike.
While I don't agree with everything you're saying I like reading it
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Old Feb 25th 2015, 03:46 PM   #52
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Originally Posted by Stw View Post
"3) Torque 100.5 ft-lbs @ 10,250 RPM's for the R and 106 Ft-lbs @ 8,750 RPMs advantage R (even though the S/base has more torque you really don't want your max torque to come on too early in the rev range)."

Scrapper...I am intrigued as to why you say this???
..that's why the 1199 torque dip made "sensible" performance for the street ..
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Old Feb 28th 2015, 02:08 AM   #53
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Warning! it will be very expensive to try and drop 16 lbs off the bike.
Not that much more really, Li-ion battery and the full Ti Akra and you're almost there. Plus the Akra will then tip your bhp over 205 bhp and over that of the R.

This is what I'm worried about, I've ordered the R and I'm now wondering if I'm right?!

I guess, bottom line, I had the 2014 R, the 2015 R will be streets ahead of it so I have to be happy with that.

Just don't like the idea of being upstaged by a lesser model when I've paid premium for the R.
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Not that much more really, Li-ion battery and the full Ti Akra and you're almost there. Plus the Akra will then tip your bhp over 205 bhp and over that of the R.

This is what I'm worried about, I've ordered the R and I'm now wondering if I'm right?!

I guess, bottom line, I had the 2014 R, the 2015 R will be streets ahead of it so I have to be happy with that.

Just don't like the idea of being upstaged by a lesser model when I've paid premium for the R.
To make things even more interesting, according to Ducati's website, the R is only 14 lbs. lighter than the S!
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I don't think that any model owner will be disappointed!
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Old Feb 28th 2015, 05:25 AM   #56
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On the street the 1299S will be better than the R. Then you make a stop at Starbucks...

Originally Posted by Mutt1979 View Post
Not that much more really, Li-ion battery and the full Ti Akra and you're almost there. Plus the Akra will then tip your bhp over 205 bhp and over that of the R.

This is what I'm worried about, I've ordered the R and I'm now wondering if I'm right?!

I guess, bottom line, I had the 2014 R, the 2015 R will be streets ahead of it so I have to be happy with that.

Just don't like the idea of being upstaged by a lesser model when I've paid premium for the R.
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Old Feb 28th 2015, 07:40 PM   #57
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Originally Posted by Mutt1979 View Post
Not that much more really, Li-ion battery and the full Ti Akra and you're almost there. Plus the Akra will then tip your bhp over 205 bhp and over that of the R.

This is what I'm worried about, I've ordered the R and I'm now wondering if I'm right?!

I guess, bottom line, I had the 2014 R, the 2015 R will be streets ahead of it so I have to be happy with that.

Just don't like the idea of being upstaged by a lesser model when I've paid premium for the R.
To drop 14 lbs is really hard to do without spending a lot of money. Trust me I did it to my base 1199 which is 396 lbs wet 100% full tank and its very expensive to do if you pay retail price. The cheapest biggest savings is the battery retail @ $165 saves about 4 lbs but I heard the 1299 comes with Li batteries?? I may be confused with the SL not sure about that one.

But after that, the exhaust is the next biggest weight savings (5-7 lbs) at $4K, CF Gas Tank $3K (4lbs) , wheels (3 lbs savings to the forge Al wheels a lot more to the Cast wheels) at $3-4K, DID chain sprocket and carrier group (2 lbs), CF fairings $4K (2 lbs). After that every thing else in nickel and dime in ounces in savings. Of course you can get the Magnesium Air Box @ $5K, Mag Triple for $1200. Remove the ABS saves about 10 lbs.
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I have taken quite a bit of weight of my 1199S. Even the MWR filter saved weight. But I am too scared to add up all the money I have burned to get there.

Would love some spare change to buy an R as a track bike.
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Old Mar 1st 2015, 04:07 AM   #59
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I don't think that any model owner will be disappointed!
I think you're right, maybe worrying about nothing. The R will awesome I'm sure, just been second guessing myself about it is all.
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Old Mar 1st 2015, 09:55 AM   #60
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Originally Posted by ScrapperX View Post
To drop 14 lbs is really hard to do without spending a lot of money. Trust me I did it to my base 1199 which is 396 lbs wet 100% full tank and its very expensive to do if you pay retail price. The cheapest biggest savings is the battery retail @ $165 saves about 4 lbs but I heard the 1299 comes with Li batteries?? I may be confused with the SL not sure about that one.

But after that, the exhaust is the next biggest weight savings (5-7 lbs) at $4K, CF Gas Tank $3K (4lbs) , wheels (3 lbs savings to the forge Al wheels a lot more to the Cast wheels) at $3-4K, DID chain sprocket and carrier group (2 lbs), CF fairings $4K (2 lbs). After that every thing else in nickel and dime in ounces in savings. Of course you can get the Magnesium Air Box @ $5K, Mag Triple for $1200. Remove the ABS saves about 10 lbs.
I believe the 'R is the only Pani coming with the Li Ion battery.
You're right about shedding the weight. It's something that gets expensive very quickly! I have my 'R down to 414 pounds wet, full fuel. You have to want it bad to get below 400!

But back to the thread theme, I believe there will be zero buyers' remorse on the 15 'R. While it's true that the HP numbers are the same with the 1299, the 1299 is doing it the old fashioned way with larger, heavier power plant. This 'R is making 2 bills @ 1198cc with high compression, ti valves, compact crankshaft, aluminum cylinders, and a light flywheel. It is fun to try to manage the power that this engine produces on the racetrack. The hit makes you understand why the bike comes with wheelie control because it's constantly clawing at the sky!
IMO, the one thing that intrigues me with the S is the electronic suspension leveraging the on-board IMU. This tech has the potential to work very well if the software is written correctly. I want to ride one on the track and see how it works...
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