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Old Jun 10th 2015, 12:31 AM   #21
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Dave Moss is a good dude. He helped crew our Endurance Team at the Grand Nationals last year. Not only did he help with the suspension, but he helped with tires, fueling the bike etc. It was really great having him on the team.

When you say he "setup" your bike, did he make any ride height adjustments?
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Old Jun 10th 2015, 12:32 AM   #22
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If im being totally honest, I have never touched the suspension on a street bike...ever...not once. And have never felt a need to. I just ride it. It doesn't matter on the street. Most people truly can't feel a difference between "2 clicks here and 2 turns there" on the track; I find it hard to believe that anyone can feel those differences on the street.

I also find it comical when people say stuff like "trail braking to apex", "finish corners on the gas", "steer with the rear", "run wide on corner exits", "spinning the rear" and other "track lingo" when referring to street riding. Not directing that towards the OP, just in general. I see it on every forum. I would be willing to bet a paycheck that 99.9% of the people that talk about how the rear tire was "moving and spinning everywhere" don't know what they are talking about.

I have had people make those comments about their street riding, then rode behind them (coaching them) on the track and the rear never moved, never slid, didn't even spin...not once. Most of the time the rear tire is just rolling across the pavement. Sometimes people might get on the gas hard enough to actually load up the tire and suspension...and they falsely assume what they feel is the rear moving and spinning. When in fact, they are finally making the tire work rather than just rolling across the pavement and what they are feeling is the tire/suspension loading up.

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Old Jun 10th 2015, 12:42 AM   #23
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I guess there is nothing wrong with tossing out some baseline numbers. But the thing is, as previously mentioned, they will mostly just end up confusing people. Or causing people to start tinkering with stuff they probably shouldn't/aren't qualified to mess with.

Contrary to popular belief, bodyweight is NOT a factor when it comes to suspension setup. Bodyweight is irrelevant. I have a good friend that weighs about 135lbs and runs 1.10 springs in the forks at most tracks (which is supposedly for somebody that weighs 225lbs+).

There are so many factors that go into suspension setup...

Track layout
Ambient conditions
Track surface
Tires (brand and compound)
Pace/speed
Riding style
Personal preference
Suspension type
Desired suspension travel

...just for starters. None of those things are really factors on the street, and all of those things are subjective. Suspension will never be the same for 2 people. My teammate was on the exact same bike (year/model), with the same motor build, running the same suspension components and the same tires on the same tracks.....and our setups would be different.

And suspension isn't something that you set and forget. It is a living thing that not only changes from track to track, but changes from day to day (and even morning to afternoon) on the same track.

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Old Jun 10th 2015, 12:45 AM   #24
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I will say this, probably the best advice I can give in this thread is to TAKE NOTES.

Before you touching ANYTHING, record where all of your adjusters are right now, record your ride height, record your tire type, size, compound and pressure, etc.

Then if you make any changes, record those also.

If the bike feels like shit, you can always go back to your original settings. Or go the opposite way you just went. If you don't take notes, you are basically flying blind. You will get lost, have no idea where you are or what you have done and can waste a whole weekend chasing your tail to try to get the bike back where it should be.
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I have the R so none of this really helps me........

I'm off to a specialist with spanners and hammers instead of a geek with glasses and a laptop.

Set it to f*cking fast mode please!!!
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I have the R so none of this really helps me........



I'm off to a specialist with spanners and hammers instead of a geek with glasses and a laptop.



Set it to f*cking fast mode please!!!

I just spit my food out.
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Old Jun 10th 2015, 05:06 AM   #27
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I think Shilling was just trying to compare guys. Everyone is going to have different ideas on suspension, that's why he went to Dave Moss.
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Old Jun 10th 2015, 07:09 AM   #28
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Originally Posted by Chaotic View Post
If the bike feels like shit, you can always go back to your original settings. Or go the opposite way you just went. If you don't take notes, you are basically flying blind. You will get lost, have no idea where you are or what you have done and can waste a whole weekend chasing your tail to try to get the bike back where it should be.
Per the owners manual you can set the whole thing back to factory default electronically, but your point is taken...easy to get lost w/ all the settings.

Also per your prior post, putting on the gas in the corners is good for all riding...even @ 30 mph on the street.
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Let's start a sticky for suspension settings and handling discussions.

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Originally Posted by Chaotic View Post
If im being totally honest, I have never touched the suspension on a street bike...ever...not once. And have never felt a need to. I just ride it. It doesn't matter on the street. Most people truly can't feel a difference between "2 clicks here and 2 turns there" on the track; I find it hard to believe that anyone can feel those differences on the street.
Disagree - it used to be the case that a click or two didn't make any noticeable difference, but that has changed. With modern suspensions you notice the difference, at least I do

I also find it comical when people say stuff like "trail braking to apex", "finish corners on the gas", "steer with the rear", "run wide on corner exits", "spinning the rear" and other "track lingo" when referring to street riding. Not directing that towards the OP, just in general. I see it on every forum. I would be willing to bet a paycheck that 99.9% of the people that talk about how the rear tire was "moving and spinning everywhere" don't know what they are talking about.

I have had people make those comments about their street riding, then rode behind them (coaching them) on the track and the rear never moved, never slid, didn't even spin...not once.
Most of the time what you are saying is true - street riders are squids - but there are some very fast guys who ride mountain roads, and again, Scott Russell grew up doing it. You can't be too dogmatic with the "anything on the street is a complete waste of the time to build skill" philosophy. It's not the best place to learn, no question, but I've seen a few of these guys slide the rear, trail brake, do stand up wheelies at 100+ (granted has little to do with cornering skill, but still impressive) - all those things - they are fast - and they break the law, but there aren't many cops on some of these lonely mountain roads. The only ones seeing it are a few cows.

There are always exceptions - always.
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