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Old May 9th 2017, 03:30 PM   #151
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Why it that the every post you make it just to let us know what a great motor builder you are?and to rub in our face that unless you build the motor all the oem motor are shit? yes, you know how to build shit and know a lot about engine parts and metals a least more than me. but please be a littler humble and admit that Ducati, Yamaha, and other manufacturers spend more money that you have in research and testing.so they try to make a product good and reliable. Not everybody needs a race build engine but you keep comment and how inferior is a stock engine. (if you know some much how about you build an engine.build one like the Panigale from the ground up?) we know you can make a stock engine better now go a build an engine better than oem.
I think you misread his post and others. READ it again and there is no mention of motor building.

He's not talking about building the motor, he's talking about needing the motor and frame and then build his bike around that base structure and motor if its a good base to begin with.

Thats how I read what Endo's doing. And I didn't hear any horn tooting in his post here on this thread and I don't feel he came across that way other than starting he can build a better bike for the money. Which is true. I'm pretty sure you could build a better bike starting with a base model vs the cost of an S or R. Just think if you started with a base and used the left over money that an SL costs? That's his point...
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Old May 9th 2017, 03:37 PM   #152
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Originally Posted by flobrandx View Post
I think you misread his post and others. READ it again and there is no mention of motor building.

He's not talking about building the motor, he's talking about needing the motor and frame and then build his bike around that base structure and motor if its a good base to begin with.

Thats how I read what Endo's doing. And I didn't hear any horn tooting in his post here on this thread and I don't feel he came across that way other than starting he can build a better bike for the money. Which is true. I'm pretty sure you could build a better bike starting with a base model vs the cost of an S or R. Just think if you started with a base and used the left over money that an SL costs? That's his point...
yeah same here.
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Well yes "esmirna" does have a habit of not bothering to read the content which leads to a misinterpreted context. The point was about having access to more options from a global perspective which is very appealing. A large segment of what is talked about on this board and others is modifying what you just bought from the dealer. My only intention in discussing this here was to voice some ideas with regard to the new motor coming out of Ducati and throw some ideas out there on some options. There is zero mention of me or anyone doing anything any better than anyone else. Just options. The ultimate experience for anyone buying a motorcycle or anything for that matter is that hopefully when you have made your purchase that the manufacturer delivered to you as close to what you envision as optimal to you as an individual. Motorcycles and cars are "cookie cutter" versions based on obvious factors. The next step is the customization phase and judging by the massive number of aftermarket suppliers, paints a rather obvious picture that many buyers are not completely satisfied with what the mfg has provided. My point is that it would be great if you could "buffet" your purchase and get exactly what you want that it would ultimately benefit everyone. Its that simple. Pick your power plant, suspension, wheels etc and you get the bike "you" without a garage full of spare parts and in many cases, you will save money and end up with a much nicer bike. Again, nothing about me just an idea that seems like it would solve a lot of issues.
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Old May 9th 2017, 04:49 PM   #154
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Well yes "esmirna" does have a habit of not bothering to read the content which leads to a misinterpreted context. The point was about having access to more options from a global perspective which is very appealing. A large segment of what is talked about on this board and others is modifying what you just bought from the dealer. My only intention in discussing this here was to voice some ideas with regard to the new motor coming out of Ducati and throw some ideas out there on some options. There is zero mention of me or anyone doing anything any better than anyone else. Just options. The ultimate experience for anyone buying a motorcycle or anything for that matter is that hopefully when you have made your purchase that the manufacturer delivered to you as close to what you envision as optimal to you as an individual. Motorcycles and cars are "cookie cutter" versions based on obvious factors. The next step is the customization phase and judging by the massive number of aftermarket suppliers, paints a rather obvious picture that many buyers are not completely satisfied with what the mfg has provided. My point is that it would be great if you could "buffet" your purchase and get exactly what you want that it would ultimately benefit everyone. Its that simple. Pick your power plant, suspension, wheels etc and you get the bike "you" without a garage full of spare parts and in many cases, you will save money and end up with a much nicer bike. Again, nothing about me just an idea that seems like it would solve a lot of issues.
I see your point and I agree with you, Yes it will be a dream if you can get a company to custom build a sport bike like that ( I know you can do it on chopper but not on sport bike unless is a race bike) and yes as you mention my garage is full on crap that I pay for it but never going to used.
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I think we all have that to some extent. I have seen many examples in a years time where guys have changed out over 50% of the bike. Me and cars are a different story. Through my business, I lease (my daily drivers). These cars do not screw with my mind. Because I do not own them, I do not screw with them. Its actually kind of nice. I think i have looked under the hood just to see what a modern motor looks like. Looks like a flat plastic table. First oil change is 10k miles. If I did own them then I would have to f&%* with them because I cant leave shit alone. The bikes are toys and we are going to screw with them. Personally, I would like to get the most for a buck that I can. Im sure there are many here who have way more money tied up in the initial purchase of the bike and aftermarket parts than the bike could be sold for. The "buffet bike" could offset that quite a bit. My favorite quick eatery is Chipotle. Why? because I can get exactly what I want and how much of it I want and I don't pay for what someone else thinks I want. Aprilia is doing somewhat of a version of the "buffet bike" but I really think there is an opportunity for a some entity to fill the gap in the sub 30-40K range. I would love to be able to get a V4 from Ducati and just buy the pieces I would end up swapping anyhow and at a decent price. This is the # 1 reason the Kitplane market has soared in popularity. You can build or have built much more of an airplane for a lot less money that Cessna or Piper are charging. And your right on the custom Harley type bikes. That market is very robust. Just an idea.
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Old May 9th 2017, 07:00 PM   #156
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I was very involved with Ducati back on the Desmo, 1098 and 1198. I can tell you Ducati lost the touch when Audi sticks his nose they try the apple approach "let build for every potential customer" they came out with 10 new model.Waterdown the brand just like MV AGUSTA did with the triple engine they put that engine on everything. now the game change MV almost broke because the owner is a stuck up idiot and AUDI want to pull the plug. they all going to go back to the boutique motorcycle I can see in the future the lineup get back to just a few models. Mv is doing it already people don't want the budget Ducati is a DICK MESURE COMPETITION. I think we are ready for a new Desmo touching the 100k.Aprilia got it already.what is going to mess Ducati is the dealer network, Audi royally fuck the dealers to the point that only dealer owns by the big enterprise are in business today but those assholes can't sell a 100k to a real Ducati fanatic. they can only prey on newbie with money.
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Old May 18th 2017, 05:15 PM   #157
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Please have the Ducati V4 coming into the market. It wouldn't post a surprise since the "we know who" has moved from Aprilia to Ducati Corse. He had been instrumental on the RSV4 development ...like since 2009....

Still reaping the raw twin desmo of the 1199,keeping it for a while, the first of its kind in twin.

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Old May 20th 2017, 06:35 AM   #158
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Originally Posted by endodoc View Post
With Ducati, who knows. They have a whole marketing dept dedicated to getting the maximum millage out verbiage that makes you feel special and a part of that "exclusive" club. Im not brand happy. I use whatever the mission calls for. The only reason I built the first 1299 is that I never owned a twin and decided to give it a shot. I would never pay 30K for a 1299. I would gladly spend 80K to build one however. If the new V4 is a good platform and I can get a motor, I will build the rest. If its a really good motor and i have to buy the bike and part it out to get the motor, I will. If the motor isn't significantly advanced to warrant the work, I will pass all together.
endodoc what if I may ask are your highlights on your resume'? I'm just interested and curious.
Reading this let me get my head around the comment you actually built a 1299..
Does this mean you machined al the engine parts ? You designed the webs that add the strength and all the shit that goes into engine design.

If so sir I have huge respect for you, myself a big petrol head and not loyal to a brand but after spending a few days in the UK and meeting the engineers as in many of them that conceived the LP570 Mclaren it's hard to believe that one man could do all the work needed to design and build a motor such as the one in the 1299 all on his own
Add the engineering complexities needed to calculate stretch and torque (yep some bolts are not torqued in all applications) they are stretched and at that point a materials engineer along with a mechanical engineer normally pool their skills. And you can do all this ? in my book makes you very talented.
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Hi Captain

Great post and not to worry, I get the sarcasm and I afford you that opportunity because well, I guess your some sort of leader of your ship being a captain and all. My highlights on my resume, well as they would pertain to this subject, my background and education is Aerospace Engineering with a minor in molecular chemistry. I flew tactical aircraft with VF-51 in the Navy and research aircraft for Hughes Aerospace out of Pt Mugu ca. One of my employment stints before the navy was as a materials engineer with Penske Indy Car and Granatelli Racing working with Swift Engineering on CF chassis technology. I currently own a medical research facility that specializes in metabolomics focused on metabolic fueling. Additionally I own a R&D facility called Disruptive Technologies. We have built and patented a completely revolutionary way to make food using sonic energy. Additionally we have now built a prototype machine that will replace Forged Composites with a very fast, low cost alternative. Our first product off this machine will be very low cost CMC rotors. We are now making CF parts that require no vacuum system or autoclave. The process time to make a part is under 5 seconds. So to answer your question, no I did not design and built a 1299 motor from a foundry perspective. I did build one using a lot of parts that I did make and I also designed and machined many of the pieces on the bike. Im sure if you can figure out (or maybe have the neighbors kid show you)how to use the search feature, you can find my post on the build.You want to talk about metallurgical engineering, aerospace fasteners, torque specs, grain flow in forging, grainless forging of aerospace materials, bring it on Captain. Just steer your little dingy this way and we can go at it. Obviously, (fuck hopefully, but who knows) you understood the context of what I wrote. For some reason, you took offense to it. Now to answer the rest of your question, do I think I could build an engine from scratch including the design, engineering and machine work?. Yes, I do and it would not be that difficult at all. Autodesk Fusion 360, 3D printing and 4 axis CNC. Take a stroll through Youtube and look at all the small shops now doing just that. Now maybe you should go check on your row boat, I hear a mutiny is in the works and there is a plank with your name on it.
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