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Old May 31st 2017, 08:12 PM   #31
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Ok I give up. What the hell is a BBU? You keep referencing it and I cannot find a BBU anywhere in the manual. There is a BBS (Black Box System) and it is where the TC electronics live. A BBS for a 2017 Ducati from Newport Beach Ducati is $2500.00. If you can get one from Jarel for $362.84 I would def do so.
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Old May 31st 2017, 08:21 PM   #32
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From the Ducati Manual

BBS black box
This is the control unit which manages and adjusts the main electronic vehicle functions: DTC (Ducati Traction Control) and DWC (Ducati Wheelie Control). It implements an automatic calibration device according to the top gear ratio and the diameter of the rear tyre. Yep tyre,I guess that's EU for tire
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Old May 31st 2017, 09:25 PM   #33
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Originally Posted by endodoc View Post
Ok I give up. What the hell is a BBU? You keep referencing it and I cannot find a BBU anywhere in the manual. There is a BBS (Black Box System) and it is where the TC electronics live. A BBS for a 2017 Ducati from Newport Beach Ducati is $2500.00. If you can get one from Jarel for $362.84 I would def do so.
Page 113 of the parts fiche, item 21 part number 38510472f (2017) or 38510471E (2015) it lives in the subframe.

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Old May 31st 2017, 09:29 PM   #34
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Which is BBS
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Old May 31st 2017, 09:38 PM   #35
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Black Box Unit, Black Box System. Same thing. If this price is accurate on the DO website, I will buy it and for sure ask Ducati NB where they got $2500.00. If the DO website price is a misprint, well I guess we win. Doesn't make much sense to sell a loaded EVO capable unit for less that a flash.
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Old Jun 1st 2017, 12:09 AM   #36
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Sure as shit a bbs unit would look for a 2017 ecu.
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Old Jun 1st 2017, 01:07 AM   #37
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Originally Posted by Domino View Post
According to Jarel, the 2017 models ship with the "evo" software standard, so all BBUs should be pre-loaded with the new algorithm. If you look up the BBU part numbers they are identical with the exception that they went from an "1E" designation to a new "2F" designation with the 2017 models which as Jarel stated come standard with the EVO software. In fact, the old part number now superceeds to the 2017 BBU part number. Price listed for the 2017 BBU from Ducati Omaha is $362.84. YMMV


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Page 113 of the parts fiche, item 21 part number 38510472f (2017) or 38510471E (2015) it lives in the subframe.



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https://www.ducatiomaha.com/products/38510472f


Well I think that is settled, so the burning question/s:

1. Is it plug and play?

2. How far do you have to dig in there to get to it?

3. Is that easier/better than a $700 software update from the dealer?
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Old Jun 1st 2017, 05:23 AM   #38
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Originally Posted by AmpForE View Post
Well I think that is settled, so the burning question/s:

1. Is it plug and play?

2. How far do you have to dig in there to get to it?

3. Is that easier/better than a $700 software update from the dealer?
Question 1 is the big one, given that the only change for 2015-2016 to upgrade is a flash, I suspect it may but am not 100%.

Question 2, is remove the seat, it lives under a rubber cover. Less than 5 minutes.

Question 3 is it should be the same if question 1 is true.
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it is right under the seat, but I can't remember if I had to remove the subframe to remove the box - I know I unplugged it at one point when I pulled the entire subframe so I could comfortably wrap my exhaust header (it wasn't necessary but it made it easier and pulling the subframe versus rotating it upwards is just two more bolts).

If it is plug and play, I'd do it, just to do it. I go to a lot of trackdays but I don't remotely have the talent to know the difference in TC calibration. For $700 my money would be better spent on the DDA module (which ought to come with the bike - Yamaha includes similar functionality on the R1M) but that's Ducati for ya. On tracks where power isn't a big deal, I'll set engine power to Wet for smoother power delivery. I'm that slow :P

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Old Jun 1st 2017, 07:04 AM   #40
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Originally Posted by Domino View Post
According to Jarel, the 2017 models ship with the "evo" software standard, so all BBUs should be pre-loaded with the new algorithm. If you look up the BBU part numbers they are identical with the exception that they went from an "1E" designation to a new "2F" designation with the 2017 models which as Jarel stated come standard with the EVO software. In fact, the old part number now superceeds to the 2017 BBU part number. Price listed for the 2017 BBU from Ducati Omaha is $362.84. YMMV
You can't install a BBU on a different bike without electronic wizardry from the dealer DDS system, so by the time you buy one and pay to have it installed it would be kind of "what's the point"? And with the newer bikes, there's no guarantee it would work, AND you'd be creating a potential warranty issue. The DP Upgrade is an offical Ducati accessory, and carries full warranty. Despite the butthurt crowd piling on any chance to bash Ducati these days, this upgrade is NOT intended for very many riders, Ducati offered it specifically for those racing or track riding who want and can use the advanced features of the EVO setup. They'll probably sell 100 worldwide. So not, it's not a conspiracy to make a million dollars. And, no it's not intended to "screw" anyone. They offered it as a helpful upgrade to those who actually need it.
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