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Old Jun 8th 2017, 03:11 AM   #51
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Originally Posted by Twistedracer View Post
Umm where they talking bikes? All I heard was Jennifer.

I guess I've been reading most of Nicks stuff throughout my life. I've been practicing what he was talking about.
Interestingly is what's been said about braking and body position. These days everyone is talking about squeezing the tank while braking and using things like Stompgrip or Techspec.
Going into the braking zone I've already shifted into position for the corner so there's no squeezing the tank. Ken and Nick reinforced that I'm doing this part right.

Now back to Jennifer........
Yeah, I'm not sure where this squeezing the tank while braking comes from. When you're braking and entering a corner, you should already be shifting off of the seat. It's one of the things that helped me to stop slowing my corner entry. Watching the pros, you can see that they have the weight on their arms and have their lower body unweighted and getting into position. It's actually part of Ken's explanation of the "leg dangle".
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Old Jun 8th 2017, 05:50 AM   #52
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Depends on what school you go to, California Superbike School tells you to slide your butt off but keep both knees in contact with the bike to hold yourself in place with loose arms so you can steer, then "open up" after you steer.
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Old Jun 8th 2017, 06:10 AM   #53
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Depends on what school you go to, California Superbike School tells you to slide your butt off but keep both knees in contact with the bike to hold yourself in place with loose arms so you can steer, then "open up" after you steer.
I agree with this. Pridmore teaches a style more similar to Johnny Rea or Josh Hayes with less moving around on the bike. The explanation being that most mortals lose the feeling for what is going on with the bike if they have stretched their body to the limit. Not sure if I'm explaining that properly. Basically he acknowledged that moving weight around is absolutely beneficial, but not at the expense of feel. A demonstration he used was to have us hanging off as far as we possibly could on a static bike, then tapping the brake rotor lightly with a pencil while you held the brake lever. Nobody felt it when we were hanging off as far as possible, but when we relaxed an inch or so everyone did.

I've also taken YCRS and found the body positioning work absolutely beneficial. It's one of those things where I think the best thing to do is understand exactly how body positioning affects the chassis etc, then take the strategies that work with your body and go from there. I think one problem that most people have is they hear they need to adopt a certain riding style, but have no clue how that is actually affecting the chassis.

If you have flexibility of a gymnast, then by all means get your body out there though. Assuming you still have feeling for what is going on, the science says its beneficial. One other thing to note, watch road racing or endurance racing, they move around a ton less and are still fast as hell.
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Old Jun 8th 2017, 07:53 AM   #54
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This pic is my natural old school riding style. Upper body slightly curved inward, sitting taller. Right forearm lightly against tank.






This second pic I'm working on the more modern style. Right forearm presses harder on tank, and I feel stretched. Being only 5'7" , arms and legs don't stretch far. It does make a more aggressive look though. Just not a natural feel yet.







Pic from bike behind me. My natural position. Working on changing it.


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Old Jun 8th 2017, 08:46 AM   #55
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But but I don't like winky eye face. Now the new HP4 track version
You and me both!
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Bike looks amazing out there! Nice setup.

Like some have already mentioned, feel/comfort is important. In my mind, the goal is to keep the bike as upright as possible to keep the most contact patch down on the track. The reason to hang off the side of the bike is to counter-balance this. As the speed comes up or the radius of the turn decreases, the angle will need to increase to compensate.

I've got a lot to learn, but slowly picking it up. Running 2:23's @ COTA, but I'd still get beat by most of the Moto3 guys.. Couple pics on my diff bikes, but same corner:



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Bike looks amazing out there! Nice setup.

Like some have already mentioned, feel/comfort is important. In my mind, the goal is to keep the bike as upright as possible to keep the most contact patch down on the track. The reason to hang off the side of the bike is to counter-balance this. As the speed comes up or the radius of the turn decreases, the angle will need to increase to compensate.

I've got a lot to learn, but slowly picking it up. Running 2:23's @ COTA, but I'd still get beat by most of the Moto3 guys.. Couple pics on my diff bikes, but same corner:




That RC8 is sweet but I'd have to pic the red one.
COTA is a long ways to haul my bike down for a day. Worth it I'm sure.
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Old Jun 10th 2017, 08:04 AM   #58
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Twistedracer.. we've got a track weekend coming up on July 1st/2nd! It is worth it in every way, man. Amazing track/facility!

Luckily it is 30min from my house.. :P
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Twistedracer.. we've got a track weekend coming up on July 1st/2nd! It is worth it in every way, man. Amazing track/facility!

Luckily it is 30min from my house.. :P
Such a tease, one day. My niece lives in Austin.
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Old Jun 10th 2017, 09:35 PM   #60
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Just getting caught up here on recent posts, but OMG!!!

Killer setup you got there Twisted!! Bike looks amazing, especially with that gear. I can't stop looking at this pic. wow!
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