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Old Jul 4th 2017, 05:02 AM   #31
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Sure sounds good. I will look for direct corrections to my statement,




This, of course, was my point. The bike that Valentino inherited was the same bike you just said was getting worse.

I'm not sure how you missed this, because this was the ONLY point of my post, and the one you said you were going to correct. Strange your first point would agree with it, no?

Rossi got a bike that Ducati screwed up, Lorenzo has a bike that was leading a championship and has won two races thus far.

Thanks for the agreement, let's see if you fix my statement (that you agree with) later on..



Jumping ship, in my context, doesn't mean that you leave before your contract is up. Ducati did Casey wrong. Casey left for a faster and more competitive bike. When Casey left, Ducati was no longer competitive.



Okay... cool and completely irrelevant point. However, you are supposed to be correcting what I got wrong in my statement, and the only time you addressed my statement, you agreed with me.



Again... cool and completely irrelevant. When are you going to fix what I said?? However, you are supposed to be correcting what I got wrong in my statement, and the only time you addressed my statement, you agreed with me.



Okay, so far, just to recap...

Your point one.. Agreed with me
Point two-four... Had nothing to do with the subject.
Your point five... Really the second point on subject.. but really the first time you disagree with me...

Yes, Stoner was an amazing rider on the Ducati. From a talent standpoint he is one of the best. In 7 years as a GP rider he won 2 championships. Yes, he was LESS THAN A SECOND faster on the Ducati he had been riding for 5 years, compared to Rossi who just threw a leg over it for the first time.

So Rossi's results on a far less competitive bike where better and more impressive than Lorenzo's results on a far more competitive bike...
This is a statistical fact. I'm sorry you don't like the fact, but the facts are the facts and they don't change just because you wish them to.

As far as your THREE SECOND claim, this is the second or third time I have heard you make such a statement. Can you please clarify where you are getting these numbers? I have searched MotoGP.com and remember watching both the race and the test at the time. Here are the numbers I came up with.

Casey Stoner - WUP - Valenica 2010 - fastest lap 1:33.389
Casey Stoner RACE- Valencia 2010 - fastest lap 1:33.018

Valentino Rossi - SES1 - Valencia Pre Testing - fastest lap 1:33.882
Valentino Rossi - SES2 - Valencia Pre Testing - fastest lap 1:33.761

Rossi was .74- off Stoner's best pace

Just like Lorenzo was .5- of Ianonne's best time in a similar situation, except that Ianonne is no Stoner.





So for the ultimate recap.... You said you were going to "FIX" my statement.

Your points in order:
1) Agreed with me that Lorenzo is on a more competitive bike than Rossi had - relative. We both agree Stoner was amazing and Ducati was responsible for messing up Rossi's bike.
2) Nothing to do with the point, but a cool point none-the-less.
3) Nothing to do with the point, but a cool point none-the-less.
4) Nothing to do with the point, but a cool point none-the-less.
5) Given than the numbers you use are simply bullshit, you claim 3 seconds, reality for fastest times was .7 seconds, your entire point is simply an exaggeration and can be dismissed.

Your idea of "fixing" my thread was was to exaggerate how slow Rossi was on the Ducati by almost 400%?

Maybe, you'd like a second chance? Next time, I would ask you kindly to stick to the topic instead of 80% of your points serving more to fill space with useless information and deviate from the subject.

Sadly, three people agreed with your logic and conclusions, while I am still trying to figure out what they were. Maybe I'm the idiot?

Either ways, happy 4th
logic won't help the forum ass^ -- he is deranged and dumb. sadly, your well reasoned response will not convince stupid nor fix him. one only has to look at the lifetime stats to at very least be in awe of the accomplishments; there is nothing worse than a small man incapable of giving props where props are due and 46 deserves at very least that much, irrespective of whatever personal bias one might have.

happy july 4 and happy thanksgiving bc every day above ground is a day to celebrate and give thanks, though july 4th i'm not so sure about as per Ron Paul's note du jour:

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives...-independence/
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damn guys, if anyone wants to tell me that both Rossi and Lorenzo are not Gods on motorcycles then I don't want to listen, lol

The Ducati requires a unique approach and some people are able to make it work and some aren't.

I do think Lorenzo came into a better situation on a bike that appears to work for more riding styles then just one but its still very different then what Lorenzo has been on. Its not like he is just trying to be crazy fast on it, he is. he is trying to be the best rider In the WORLD over race distance on race day.

I am big Ducati fan so would like to see him succeed, I am not a big Lorenzo fan but will not discount the fact that when he is on he is so insanely good its AWESOME!!
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Why don't they just hire Casey Stoner to train Lorenzo how to ride the bike..?

On second thought....If they tried that I am sure that would go over with Lorenzo like turd in the punchbowl at a Sunday social LOL..

Two totally different riders and different riding styles.. So far Stoner is the ONLY one that could tame the beast..

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Why don't they just hire Casey Stoner to train Lorenzo how to ride the bike..?

On second thought....If they tried that I am sure that would go over with Lorenzo like turd in the punchbowl at a Sunday social LOL..

Two totally different riders and different riding styles.. So far Stoner is the ONLY one that could tame the beast..

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Yep he won in 2007. Couldn't in 2008,2009,2010 (yea I know, politics and conspiracies) then went to Honda to get it done in 2011 but look at that season. What a shit show. He had 1 competitor, Lorenzo and Lorenzo missed 4 races. The guy never won a 250 series and he never backed up a premier class title. Great rider for sure. I just don't the "god like" status.
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