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Old Jul 20th 2017, 10:25 AM   #31
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So this tamburinifactory is OEM to ducati for their carbon parts?
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....to the guys wanting to get their Science Project moving, the actual source isn't as important as the Science Project itself....just a means to a greater end
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Old Jul 20th 2017, 01:00 PM   #33
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I'm not entirely sure about that frame. They didn't put a lot of material around the steel inserts for the engine studs. Not that it's going to break but I have seen very similar designs have issues with the inserts working themselves loose in CF. I doubt it would ever be an issue as 90% of those bikes will never see 1k miles.
there are other potentially dangerous structural issues with that frame;but yeah, the torque values must be honored like no other, both too tight or too loose could result in catastrophe, etc etc etc.

not for street use for me. same goes for the swing arm. lets not even get into the wheels and potholes...

i'd always trust the magnesium frame over this cf thing, and how negligible is the weight diff between them?

i'm really wanting the 1199sl more and more.....
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Old Jul 20th 2017, 01:04 PM   #34
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....to the guys wanting to get their Science Project moving, the actual source isn't as important as the Science Project itself....just a means to a greater end
science projects are what make the world go round; to wit, a "science project" [no roll eyes passive aggressive emoji's here]:

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Everyone thought I was hating on the 1299SL. Those who know me and what I do know better. The bike is fancy 1299. What I was whining about was the whole integrated ploy by the mfg to get rid of a lot of stuff under the cloak of some special offering. Their plot worked. They supposedly got 500 people to grossly over pay for something that cost them little. Reba already had the molds for the CF. The didn't have molds for a CF tank. That would have incurred cost so the bike doesn't get one. The frame and swingarm were basically freebies as the mfg is make my OEM pieces for new models. Pistons, rods and liners are all easily made with automation and by OEM suppliers meaning negligible cost to Ducati. BST did the wheels but wait until you see the new BST wheels. You'll get the picture. The stuff that was not leftover 1299 or 1199sl that cost money, isn't on the bike. No high end stuff from Brembo, Ohlins, shit radiator. Stock clutch, bars etc. rear sets are nice but again leftovers from the previous SL. So bravo. You got 85k plus for a 40k bike. Not hating at all. Just the facts. They found a relatively inexpensive solution to pilfer a pile of 1299 stock and make a bunch of money on it and the icing on the cake was that they got the buyers despite confirming the V4. Genius.
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Old Jul 20th 2017, 01:58 PM   #36
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Everyone thought I was hating on the 1299SL. Those who know me and what I do know better.
No one can say you were hating on it. You said it properly: "Nice bike. Horrible buy."

But the proof is in the pudding; if you thought it was a crap bike, why would you even spend $1k, let alone $10k, on the 1299SL parts.

I would have to think that if the SL was $40k like the R FE is, you would say something like "Nice bike. Good buy."
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Everyone thought I was hating on the 1299SL. Those who know me and what I do know better. The bike is fancy 1299. What I was whining about was the whole integrated ploy by the mfg to get rid of a lot of stuff under the cloak of some special offering. Their plot worked. They supposedly got 500 people to grossly over pay for something that cost them little. Reba already had the molds for the CF. The didn't have molds for a CF tank. That would have incurred cost so the bike doesn't get one. The frame and swingarm were basically freebies as the mfg is make my OEM pieces for new models. Pistons, rods and liners are all easily made with automation and by OEM suppliers meaning negligible cost to Ducati. BST did the wheels but wait until you see the new BST wheels. You'll get the picture. The stuff that was not leftover 1299 or 1199sl that cost money, isn't on the bike. No high end stuff from Brembo, Ohlins, shit radiator. Stock clutch, bars etc. rear sets are nice but again leftovers from the previous SL. So bravo. You got 85k plus for a 40k bike. Not hating at all. Just the facts. They found a relatively inexpensive solution to pilfer a pile of 1299 stock and make a bunch of money on it and the icing on the cake was that they got the buyers despite confirming the V4. Genius.
My understanding was that the carbon tank was considered but it was not compliant with safety regulations in certain countries, hence why they opted to stick with an aluminium tank, not because RIBA did not have the moulds. When you say that certain CF parts are being made for new models, could you please expand. I am not sure RIBA composites are in the market to make "freebies" even if they are to produce parts for new models so how does that work? Each RIBA subframe for example (1199SL and 1299SL) takes 2.5 days to produce at significant cost. That has to be absorbed somewhere. Curious to know that is all. There is no doubting that the 1299SL is overpriced, but as a company and a business, if you could extricate 72,000 from someone and they were willing to pay, would you turn them away? The 1299SL is the sum of it's parts. They may not stack up financially, necessarily but the finished product is sold as a package not an inventory and for that you have to stump up the cash. Clearly 500 people did.

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Nobody would be talking about this bike if Ducati had not built it, just the costs of the R & D that has gone into this bike alone would cost a packet....Yes maybe it would be cheaper to build this bike cheaper, but first this bike had to built for some one else to copy it and only 500 came from Ducati and only 500 will ever be true 1299SL's.
Ducati have always been good at creating special models at special prices....it is Ducati and it is what they do and will always do. But to a true Ducatista they are the jewel in the crown....when there are no more Superbike twins around anymore....maybe the priced payed for one will not seem so bad.

Stripped down is it just another 1299 or just that little bit more.
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 03:20 AM   #39
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The 1299S/1199R is a big step up over the 1199S/R and I would be confident the same applies to the Superleggeras. Much more of a finished machine since the model range straddles the period that the manufacturers have really integrated the electronics well, plus that engine looks to be another level in the 1299R. Agreed that it is crazy money though.
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Old Jul 21st 2017, 04:57 AM   #40
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To sum up: 1299SL = more than what Ducati gives you in any previous R model

it has never been different, & most probably never will be - a simple case of "you get what you pay for"

for the Science Project guys wanting more for less, or more for more....all the power to them.....while they sit there figuring it all out, most riders might just check the weather & turn their key.....
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