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Old Aug 2nd 2017, 08:00 AM   #51
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Worth a read. Ducati lowers power claims | Visordown

Here is a breakdown of the power drops across the range:

959 Panigale – was 157hp, now 150hp (7hp drop)

1299 Panigale – was 205hp, now 197hp (8hp drop)

Panigale R (1198cc) – was 205hp, now 196hp (9hp drop)

Monster 797 – was 75hp, now 73hp (2hp drop)

Monster 821 – was 112hp, now 109hp (3hp drop)

Monster 1200 – was 150hp, now 147hp (3hp drop)

Monster 1200 R – was 160hp, now 152hp (8hp drop)

Diavel – was 162hp, now 152hp (10hp drop)

XDiavel – was 156hp, now 152hp (4hp drop)

Multistrada 950 – was 113hp, now 113hp (unchanged)

Multistrada 1200/Enduro – was 160hp, now 152hp (8hp drop)

Hypermotoard – was 113hp, now 110hp (3hp drop)

SuperSport – was 113hp, now 110hp (3hp drop)

The figures for the 1299 Superleggera (215hp) and 1299 Panigale R Final Edition (209hp) are unaltered.



I can't help feeling that this is convenient timing (to change the measurement method) as it provides a noticeably bigger gap in performance between the 1299/S/R and the FE, than previously, which might help fuel the perception that the cost difference is worth it. Particularly the R to the FE, where the gulf was previously not so wide (from 4bhp to 12bhp a 300% increase!)
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Old Aug 2nd 2017, 08:56 AM   #52
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Ducati didn't take crap away. My bike still feels blazing fast. I think I will keep her.
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Originally Posted by topolino View Post

I can't help feeling that this is convenient timing (to change the measurement method) as it provides a noticeably bigger gap in performance between the 1299/S/R and the FE, than previously, which might help fuel the perception that the cost difference is worth it. Particularly the R to the FE, where the gulf was previously not so wide (from 4bhp to 12bhp a 300% increase!)
This is exactly what I said when they changed the website numbers quietly before the FE was officially announced.
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No one would be complaining/talking about this , had Ducati adjusted the numbers the other way, higher. Whatever # they attach these bikes will still kill you in the blink of an eye, and a VERY SMALL percentage of Panigale owners can get any where near the bikes limit. And I include myself, my bike is faster than me.
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No one would be complaining/talking about this , had Ducati adjusted the numbers the other way, higher. Whatever # they attach these bikes will still kill you in the blink of an eye, and a VERY SMALL percentage of Panigale owners can get any where near the bikes limit. And I include myself, my bike is faster than me.
Don't get me wrong I am not complaining about this, it's merely the cynic in me suggesting that the timing of these adjusted figures, seems to have been engineered to secure more "FE parts bin special" sales, by justifying the price hike with the lure of a more noticeable/tangible hp advantage. For the fickle, that is reason enough to buy one.
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Old Aug 2nd 2017, 02:20 PM   #56
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Don't get me wrong I am not complaining about this, it's merely the cynic in me suggesting that the timing of these adjusted figures, seems to have been engineered to secure more "FE parts bin special" sales, by justifying the price hike with the lure of a more noticeable/tangible hp advantage. For the fickle, that is reason enough to buy one.
agree 100% and yes we all do buy for the spec. Can we or do we need it, not really unless your a pro racer but that's not the point here. Point is why Ducati lies and changes their # just when the FE comes out? I was thinking of getting the FE myself but currently have a 16 R and can't see the FE having too much more features compare to my bike. Like the exhaust but not worth the add cost. Now if it was true and that close to the 1299 SL I would seriously consider getting one
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It will be great to see the real world comparisons and difference between the SL, 16R and the new FE when you guys start riding them.
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Ultimately its a great marketing ploy to bolster the attractiveness of your high end model, by demonstrating it's obvious power advantage (specifically the FE over the "lesser" R). Far easier to make someone part with their money if you are selling them a bike with a 12bhp advantage as opposed to a mere 4bhp, where you might have otherwise thought twice (assuming that is all you base your buying decision on).

The one positive in all this, is at least future models "should" have more representative figures quoted and all test measurements will be carried out using the same equipment and methods across the range.

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Wouldn't really matter how the figures are quoted. If the figures given are made by the same means, recorded the in the same manor, the advantage will be the same.

There's still going to be a 12bhp advantage.
Not sure about you guys but I always check independent dyno figures and take any of the manufacturers quotes with a hefty pinch of salt.


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Wouldn't really matter how the figures are quoted. If the figures given are made by the same means, recorded the in the same manor, the advantage will be the same.

There's still going to be a 12bhp advantage.
Not sure about you guys but I always check independent dyno figures and take any of the manufacturers quotes with a hefty pinch of salt.


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True enough but owners of the 1299/S/R were originally given to believe their bikes were only 4bhp shy of a bike costing almost twice as much (comparing an FE to the price of a 1299 base model). Little incentive to trade-up for such a small advantage, so re-evaluate your measurement methods and bingo 12bhp. All of a sudden £35K seems a tad more worthwhile. I frankly don't give a monkeys as I am not in the market for an FE. Even with this "new" differential in power, it's still seemingly overpriced for what it is. Anniversario buyers I believe will probably get much more bang for their buck in terms of an investment.
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