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Old Feb 5th 2016, 01:00 PM   #31
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I just want to have a good time at the track and maybe, just maybe, learn one things that keeps my ass off the ground. I could care less what you ride or your gear color; but please, whatever you do, hold your line and please signal early that you're going into the paddock and do not change your mind!

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Old Feb 5th 2016, 01:14 PM   #32
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Interesting read above.

I'm no pro and a beginner so good read from more experienced riders/racers. I understand about the white plate and black numbers but I also agree that you should wear whatever safety gear you want...i.e. matching or whatever without expert riders making "fun" of them.

I think respect goes both way no? Those expert riders were once beginner and didn't know much as well so how about show the way to inexperience rider as a mentor for example?

I can say I'm a "expert" gun shooter of all types. Can shoot a quarter 25m every time with a pistol and rapid fire targets standing, walking, and or moving vehicle and hit 3" targets all day long. Same with assault rifles...

If someone came to the range with fancy guns, I don't think I will judge him or think twice unless he starts shooting unsafely then I will offer friendly suggestions...of course if he is danger to other people then I will be more forceful. I will never start rambling off how to do anything to anyone unless they ask me as most people are egotistic.

When I finally be able to track again in long time, I will just enjoy it, learn, and improve my skill. Life is too short for having to worry about what other riders think of your gears or bike that you are riding on track...

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Old Feb 5th 2016, 01:25 PM   #33
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We all started at the bottom. Some just progress faster than others.
It's unfortunate that some people buy this bike as a status symbol to hang out at the coffe shop. I think that's where the persona comes from.

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Old Feb 5th 2016, 07:36 PM   #34
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Originally Posted by youngR View Post
Interesting read above.

I'm no pro and a beginner so good read from more experienced riders/racers. I understand about the white plate and black numbers but I also agree that you should wear whatever safety gear you want...i.e. matching or whatever without expert riders making "fun" of them.

I think respect goes both way no? Those expert riders were once beginner and didn't know much as well so how about show the way to inexperience rider as a mentor for example?

I can say I'm a "expert" gun shooter of all types. Can shoot a quarter 25m every time with a pistol and rapid fire targets standing, walking, and or moving vehicle and hit 3" targets all day long. Same with assault rifles...

If someone came to the range with fancy guns, I don't think I will judge him or think twice unless he starts shooting unsafely then I will offer friendly suggestions...of course if he is danger to other people then I will be more forceful. I will never start rambling off how to do anything to anyone unless they ask me as most people are egotistic.

When I finally be able to track again in long time, I will just enjoy it, learn, and improve my skill. Life is too short for having to worry about what other riders think of your gears or bike that you are riding on track...

Just my 02. cent
I agree with all of that. The "comes across as a douche" comment wasn't just based on somebody's leathers. I don't care what leathers somebody wears.

My comments were based on a few people that came to the track with the Ducati bike, and suit, and decals all over the trailer, and clothes, etc. And they were also the people that didn't socialize with anyone, looked down their nose and the people in Tech and before they went out, they would sit over there in their pit and rev their bike over and over....then on their way through the paddock, they would creep really slow while holding the clutch in and revving the bike making sure everyone looked at them.

I have seen that on more than one occasion over the years. And THAT is where my comments are coming from. The people that show up to the track with that getup often times come across as attention seeking douches.

They could have just as easily showed up at the track with all of that shit, then actually smiled at people, maybe shook a few hands and had a conversation, then conducted themselves in a manner like everyone else did when prepping to and entering the track. And in that case, they would NOT have been douches, they would have just been people that like Ducati stuff. And more power to them.
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Old Feb 5th 2016, 08:04 PM   #35
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Originally Posted by Chaotic View Post
I agree with all of that. The "comes across as a douche" comment wasn't just based on somebody's leathers. I don't care what leathers somebody wears.

My comments were based on a few people that came to the track with the Ducati bike, and suit, and decals all over the trailer, and clothes, etc. And they were also the people that didn't socialize with anyone, looked down their nose and the people in Tech and before they went out, they would sit over there in their pit and rev their bike over and over....then on their way through the paddock, they would creep really slow while holding the clutch in and revving the bike making sure everyone looked at them.

I have seen that on more than one occasion over the years. And THAT is where my comments are coming from. The people that show up to the track with that getup often times come across as attention seeking douches.

They could have just as easily showed up at the track with all of that shit, then actually smiled at people, maybe shook a few hands and had a conversation, then conducted themselves in a manner like everyone else did when prepping to and entering the track. And in that case, they would NOT have been douches, they would have just been people that like Ducati stuff. And more power to them.
That's got nothing to do with their leathers that's just Americans .
Were they Americans?
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I am sure it varies by place. But over here when we see somebody pull up in that kind of getup, with the bike and then the Ducati Leathers and Ducati helmet and probably with Ducati decals all over his trailer etc....we think "look at this douche".

People can't roll up with that kind of setup trying to look like some kind of Factory racer, and then get lapped in the Intermediate track day group.

It is just too much. The bike? Of course, absolutely. But Ducati leathers and Ducati helmet? No. That is getting into Harley Davidson cult territory.

Might as well put a big neon sign on your back that says "MAKE SURE YOU LOOK AT ME, I RIDE A DUCATI"
Right. This post says exactly what you're trying to clarify now. Nothing in this post says anything about someone's behavior. Has everything to do with matching brand gear and nothing else. This post also says that you actually do care what kinda gear someone wears, regardless of their skill level. Don't contradict yourself.
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Originally Posted by wilkson View Post
That's got nothing to do with their leathers that's just Americans .
Were they Americans?
that's a good one!!

You crack me up with your comments sir. Keep it up.
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Old Feb 5th 2016, 10:21 PM   #38
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Right. This post says exactly what you're trying to clarify now. Nothing in this post says anything about someone's behavior. Has everything to do with matching brand gear and nothing else. This post also says that you actually do care what kinda gear someone wears, regardless of their skill level. Don't contradict yourself.
And every person I have seen with that getup that looks like they were standing next to an exploding Ducati store, behaved in the exact same manner. Then they go out on track and can't ride. Which is fine, everyone starts somewhere and I really enjoy helping people become better riders.....that are willing to be helped. Those guys aren't. One of them actually said "the problem is that I shouldn't be in Intermediate, I mean look at this thing" (and pointed down at his bike).

The funny part is that he said after I had followed him into hot pit at the end of a session and was trying to offer him some advice on lines because he was struggling to keep up with the guys in the back of the Intermediate group because of how erratic he was riding.

So yes, when I see someone with that getup, my first thought is "here we go again..."
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That's got nothing to do with their leathers that's just Americans .
Were they Americans?
Haha. Well played.

I have never seen Americans riding Suzuki's or Yamaha's do that douchetastic shit.

And yeah, a few of them were Americans. But some of them weren't. I know 2 of the guys were from Greece and another one was French.
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Originally Posted by Chaotic View Post
And every person I have seen with that getup that looks like they were standing next to an exploding Ducati store, behaved in the exact same manner. Then they go out on track and can't ride. Which is fine, everyone starts somewhere I am enjoy helping people.....that are willing to be helped. Those guys aren't. One of them actually said "the problem is that I shouldn't be in Intermediate, I mean look at this thing" (and pointed down at his bike).

The funny part is that he said after I had followed him into hot pit at the end of a session and was trying to offer him some advice on lines because he was struggling to keep up with the guys in the back of the Intermediate group because of how erratic he was riding.

So yes, when I see someone with that getup, my first thought is "here we go again..."
I guess this is a bad time to say I have a Superlegara race suit, Ducati Corse helmet, Ducati gloves, ducati boots, Ducati under suit, sitting in my Ducati chair, under a Ducati Corse umbrella, drinking out of my Ducati corse coffee cup, spinning my Ducati key ring, whilst looking at my Ducati Red painted trailer.

No just kidding, I don't actually have the umbrella.
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