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Old Dec 16th 2015, 09:44 AM   #51
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again I was a fan of the dry clutch, but ;

(in terms of performance) the desmodromic valving is far more relevant today than it was twenty years ago.

the dry clutch - not so much .

In fact I would venture a guess that the japanese are a little jealous .

having desmo valves on a street bike is as close to motogp / formula one technology as 99.99% of the entire world population will ever come.
we take it for granted but the reality is it functions like the pneumatic valving of F1 and it is highly unlikely you will ever see this tech on the street.
Its ironic that this technology has been maligned so much over the years.
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Old Dec 16th 2015, 10:41 AM   #52
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Where does tradition and identity out weigh innovation?
You should ask harley Davidson that question
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Old Dec 16th 2015, 11:07 AM   #53
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You bought the wrong bike. You should have gotten an 1198SP.

Fact is, the Panigale is better PERFORMING in every possible aspect over the 1198. A "real" Ducati used to involve a fair amount of physical and financial suffering. I don't miss it, but maybe you need it for whatever.
u ever try to steer the 1*98 bike? it was a wretched turning bike whereas the Pani is exceptionally easy to flick and hold the line w/....

& seriously, if u can afford a 30k bike and 3500 exhaust then surely if u so want the dry clutch u can drop another 3k on that; ie stop whining...
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Old Dec 16th 2015, 09:41 PM   #54
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Originally Posted by Charleston 1199 View Post
The panigale is amazing no question
I just miss the tradition of the dry clutch
It was a signature part of Ducati lore

I mean what's next no desmo valves ?

Where does tradition and identity out weigh innovation?
Apparently they are going to do away with the wheels next, another signature Ducati piece.
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Old Dec 17th 2015, 04:35 AM   #55
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Quite complaining about 1198"s and hit a gym like me
I can pick up the panigale as I could a 1198
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Old Dec 17th 2015, 04:53 AM   #56
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u ever try to steer the 1*98 bike? it was a wretched turning bike whereas the Pani is exceptionally easy to flick and hold the line w/....
I don't find my 1098R any heavier handling than my '15R. Neither are professionally set up, just me tweaking a couple of clicks here
and there over track days, until the tyre wear is decent and the bikes don't scare the shit out of me too often.
Biggest differences are the motor delivery and the ass saving electronics on the Pani.
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I don't find my 1098R any heavier handling than my '15R. Neither are professionally set up, just me tweaking a couple of clicks here
and there over track days, until the tyre wear is decent and the bikes don't scare the shit out of me too often.
Biggest differences are the motor delivery and the ass saving electronics on the Pani.
if u cant tell the difference steering-wise, then u r not riding both bikes and u have no idea what u r doing..

the 1*98 bikes were garbage w/ a crazy engine - i hated my tricolore and when i got on the pani it just reconfirmed what a pos the previous gen was/is.

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Stupid question: why is this thread in the SL forum section?
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if u cant tell the difference steering-wise, then u r not riding both bikes and u have no idea what u r doing..

the 1*98 bikes were garbage w/ a crazy engine - i hated my tricolore and when i got on the pani it just reconfirmed what a pos the previous gen was/is.
I bow to your superior level of total ignorance and unfounded dumfuckery.
Everything you say will always be correct.
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this entire thread is stupid beyond belief.

- Ducati uses wet clutches on all of their STREET bikes now. And they're about as good as it gets with clutch performance.
- how often does a modern MotoGP rider use the clutch during a race? For many, they use it ONCE. Hell, I only use my clutch when I leave my garage and at stoplights, and I don't even have a seamless transmission. So tell me again why a clutch optimized for launching off the start line and nothing else is "better" for a street-legal street-ridden superbike? Well, maybe you're going to track your bike. How many WSBK bikes use dry clutches again?
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