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Old Jan 25th 2017, 12:01 PM   #1
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Lightbulb Reduce weight of a Panigale (SL)

Maybe you want to know how many bolts on the SL are still made of steel?
Or you just want to make your bike lighter?

Over time I incrementally replaced most non-engine-internal bolts on my SL: When they where Titanium, I replaced them with race spec Ti bolts, when Steel or Aluminium, I replaced them with Titanium.

There are about 30 bolts I did not replace yet, I'm still waiting for completion of manufacturing.

Conclusion: You can save weight on a SL by approx 1lb by replacing steel bolts.
2nd picture shows SL Ti bolts I replaced for other Ti bolts that can be safety-wired. This leads to the conclusion that at least 2lb weight can be saved on a non-SL Panigale by replacing the bolts with Ti.
3rd picture shows most bolts I touched on the SL...
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Old Jan 25th 2017, 12:10 PM   #2
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....... At what cost?
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Old Jan 25th 2017, 12:24 PM   #3
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....... At what cost?
I honestly don't know, for me it's just a lot of fun to do such stupid things. And I guess I'm the one on the forum that gave first numbers on the "bolt replacing impact" question
I suppose it's about 500-1000 USD/lb (prices in Switzerland are pretty steep).

The interesting part is to realise how Ducati engineering and marketing works:
Most engine related bolts are weight reduced. On the chassis side only visible bolts have been replaced. Homologation related bolts like the hydraulic banjo bolts have not been replaced. And Ducati marketing is soooo proud that they could reduce the radiator cap's weight by a couple of grams

Before you give me unshirted hell, please keep in mind that doing things like this is just my hobby, it does not have a particular purpose. It's just satisfactory for me to bring a bike more to perfection.
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Old Jan 25th 2017, 12:26 PM   #4
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wow. interesting.
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Old Jan 25th 2017, 12:42 PM   #6
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I don't think anyone on here would give you shit about your outrageous spending and like you said, you get a lot of joy out of such a hobby so the cost is irrelevant. Obviously you have the means to do so and have been a great contributor to this forum in many ways. As always, impressive stuff.
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Old Jan 25th 2017, 12:58 PM   #7
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Thanks for sharing, very interesting.
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Old Jan 25th 2017, 01:38 PM   #8
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Not at all.

Just makes you wonder, with Ducati's bulk buy and mass production capabilities that they don't already do this with the SL or R models and bump the price up by $500. That's not much for nearly a kilo of weight reduction in my eyes.
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Not at all.

Just makes you wonder, with Ducati's bulk buy and mass production capabilities that they don't already do this with the SL or R models and bump the price up by $500. That's not much for nearly a kilo of weight reduction in my eyes.
maybe they think that most people are not that extreme. But adding as an Optional with cost of $500 would be cool.
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Starting my first build from scratch I used Ti hardware on the entire thing including the engine during re assembly and of course had to make many pieces. Using Ti fasteners was just something that i have always used in aerospace so there wasn't much thought about it. Bang for the buck is certainly not there from a weight savings vs cost perspective however the stock fasteners are pretty shitty. In my opinion after you have done the routine weight loss program (wheels, Ti pipe, lightweight gear conversion,large fasteners etc) you can venture into the more costly items (CF subframe, CF body, CF tank). From my experience the biggest bang from a performance perspective are wheels, exhaust and drive train. Next are the not so common items.
1 Titanium Rear axle
2 Brembo P424 caliper
3 RAM mag hub
These three items are all "sprung" weight.
4 Lightweight crank, rods, valves, Flywheel, clutch assembly, ring gear
Significant weight savings and its all rotational.
5 Ceramic front and rear rotors
Significant weight savings and again, rotational.
6 LED headlight assembly with the stock fairing stay
This thing is heavy. A race nose piece with a motoholders frame and some sort of small light to remain street legal saves a bunch.
If your carrying 20lbs of unnecessary body weight, well you get the picture.
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