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Old May 28th 2013, 08:53 AM   #61
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i don't think it's your english.
Do you ride a Panigale?
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Old May 28th 2013, 09:01 AM   #62
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is that germane to bolts not being loctited at the factory?

edit: and let me add that all of my ducatis always had bolts come loose and/or fall out, except for a lowly old monster 900...

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Do you ride a Panigale?

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Old May 28th 2013, 09:06 AM   #63
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Had to Google "germane", not in my everyday vocabulary.

Yes, it is germane. If you are a Panigale owner, I put more value on your comments about the bike, the Ducati reliability, the design issues etc. If you are not a Panigale owner then I can mostly ignore your comments about Panigale.

Yes or no, Panigale owner or not? Simple Y or N will do if it is so difficult.
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Old May 28th 2013, 09:07 AM   #64
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c'mon, you have never owned a ducati lol
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Old May 28th 2013, 09:16 AM   #65
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I'm surprised VAST hasn't posted any PMs lately.
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Old May 28th 2013, 09:16 AM   #66
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Originally Posted by VAST View Post
is that germane to bolts not being loctited at the factory?

edit: and let me add that all of my ducatis always had bolts come loose and/or fall out, except for a lowly old monster 900...
Geeze Vast - why don't you just answer the question which Pani - I cannot believe a simple question got all these reactions.

P.S. In all the Pani's I have ever owned, I have only had one loose screw, none fell out. That's a Harley thing.
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Old May 28th 2013, 09:19 AM   #67
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I think I've been conditioned to expect things like this by prior Duc ownership so it doesn't give me conniptions. Ideally, yeah, it would be nice if everything was done correctly from the get go, but I am not going to sell the bike and get something I don't like as well (HP4, R1, April.., er, Busa) just because I think Ducati should have done some things better. I think it boils down to a personal decision point for each owner and I think this is true with most things you buy that have a high desirability factor like bikes. The amount of visceral reaction or love you have for the object when you first desire it is overwhelming...you must have it. Then you get it and reality settles in a bit and you realize it has a few warts. The point at which the warts outweigh the love is different for each person so I think we are seeing some people hit the "warted out" stage at this point and they should probably sell it. I think I have said it before in another thread, but it bears repeating. If mine starts giving me a ton of trouble and ends up sitting in the shop or on the stands more than it is being ridden mine will go the way of the dinosaur as well.

Another factor is the number of visible warts prior to purchase. I got my Pani later than a lot of folks since I was waiting for the colorless version (2013). Because of that, I was already aware of the heat issue, loosening bolts, darkening fluids, ejector cowl, etc. etc. so although these warts were annoying they weren't a surprise. I think the surprise warts really erode the love of the bike much faster than the ones I already had a heads up about.
Being a powertrain engineer, I find it totally unacceptable and basically a sign of incompetant engineering to design a bolted joint where bolts frequently come loose... We have formulas for these types of things when designing a joint... And when all else false, we at least specify the type and amount of loctite on assembly drawings. It's really not like engine vibrations are something "new", nor are bolts. At my company, the engineer that signed off on the bolt selection, torque spec, loctite selection, etc wouldn't have a job any more. I still love the bike, but I'm going to call out a fault when I see one.
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absolutely correct. but maybe in 2013 bolts falling out adds to "character" since no other sport bike has this issue. i LOVE Ducati, but come on!

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Being a powertrain engineer, I find it totally unacceptable and basically a sign of incompetant engineering to design a bolted joint where bolts frequently come loose... We have formulas for these types of things when designing a joint... And when all else false, we at least specify the type and amount of loctite on assembly drawings. It's really not like engine vibrations are something "new", nor are bolts. At my company, the engineer that signed off on the bolt selection, torque spec, loctite selection, etc wouldn't have a job any more. I still love the bike, but I'm going to call out a fault when I see one.
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Old May 28th 2013, 09:21 AM   #69
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My question for VAST & Jariva.........will it be handbags at 10 paces or feather dusters at dawn?
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Old May 28th 2013, 09:22 AM   #70
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i'm waiting for your passive aggressive homoerotic PM frosty! where is it? I'll start a brand new thread with you as PM subject du jour!

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