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Old Jan 23rd 2017, 04:46 PM   #11
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Your missing cost in your equation. If they came out with the 1199 at a base price of 80k and made variations from there then they would all be considered hyper bikes. You can't take a 20k Panigale bump the price to 80k and call it a hyper bike. The 918 was around 800k+, LaFerrari 1mil+, P1 900k+. The Panigale is like the 911 range. Do you consider the GT2/3 and GT2/3 RS hyper cars? That's basically what Ducati did. They made an awesome ground breaking machine and charged peanuts to satisfy demand and be competitive. Then they released a bunch of special editions while increasing price.

This new v4 would be the perfect candidate for a hyper bike if you think about it. Race bike for street that wouldn't share parts with any other product Ducati makes. Charge an insane amount for the tech and capabilities. Make it look good/different so that people would not mistake it for anything else. If they do that then they have checked all the boxes.
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Old Jan 23rd 2017, 05:13 PM   #12
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No, there is no hyperbike catagory, it's just a car term
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Old Jan 23rd 2017, 05:19 PM   #13
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I see what you're saying and agree the new V4 platform would be perfect for this. But by your description the first model would have to be $90k+ and limited production. If that's your starting point, you can't make a lesser model.
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Mutt is correct. And how would you define it anyhow? I think we may all agree that a motogp bike may qualify as a "hyperbike" if there were a category. However from a different viewpoint perhaps so would the Vance & Hines top fuel bike or the Triumph Streamliner. I surmise "bike" is subjective. All I do know that if there ever is an official category or subset of, they will be hand built customs just like they are with the cars.
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All I was getting at is what bikes would you put in a category above the rest. We had been drinking, a bit and it came up. Yes it is a coined term, I was just thinking in terms of what bikes have got above and beyond like the aforementioned cars have. With bikes, yes its different, I completely understand that. I do believe there are certain bikes that go above, as mentioned the RC213S, like the D16RR its completely different. The H2R is along those lines, i just like the see peoples thoughts on the matter.
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Old Jan 23rd 2017, 05:52 PM   #16
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IMO the only hyper bike available out there is the H2R. Pushing the boundaries with a supercharged 1000cc motor making over 320hp and able to do ridiculous speeds. No other bike can come close in making you sh*t your pants.
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I see what you're saying and agree the new V4 platform would be perfect for this. But by your description the first model would have to be $90k+ and limited production. If that's your starting point, you can't make a lesser model.
Correct. The whole point of the hyper car on the customer's side is to buy the most advanced piece of machinery their brand of choice can safely produce. All the while having insane performance figures, small limited runs, looking like nothing else and most importantly priced above what mortal humans would ever consider/afford.

If you parked the three cars we mention along side a Chiron and a Pagani there would be no confusion between all of them. Park them in a shopping center and they will stick out immediately. Stick all these limited run bikes you mentioned with a couple of normal ones and most people wouldn't be able to tell them apart. Rich people DO NOT LIKE THAT.
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Correct. The whole point of the hyper car on the customer's side is to buy the most advanced piece of machinery their brand of choice can safely produce. All the while having insane performance figures, small limited runs, looking like nothing else and most importantly priced above what mortal humans would ever consider/afford.

If you parked the three cars we mention alongside a Chiron and a Pagani there would be no confusion between all of them. Park them in a shopping center and they will stick out immediately. Stick all these limited run bikes you mentioned with a couple of normal ones and most people wouldn't be able to tell them apart. Rich people DO NOT LIKE THAT.
Those that are in the know, know the difference. Most people can't tell a Corvette from a Ferrari or a Ducati from a Honda. The people buying these cars and bikes don't care about those people.
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You are right about the people in the know, again this is a small circle compared to the population. Go to a bike night with an SL, Tricolore and an R. Park them side by side and most people would find it hard to believe the price differences. People spending 1 mil+ DO NOT want them confused with a run of the mil sports/luxury car. That's why I consider the Desmo, RC213 and H2R on a different level. You cannot confuse those for anything else. Every hypercar will be a product on it's own. Design cues and tech will trickle down but that's about it. The same applies to these three bikes.
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Old Jan 24th 2017, 05:45 PM   #20
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The only way we're ever gonna get a HyperBike is if endodoc and Gecko get together and build one.
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