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Old Jan 23rd 2017, 05:51 AM   #1
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A friend of mine who is a car guy and I were talking yesterday over a beer. He was going on about the LaFerrari, McLaren P1 and the 918 being on a completely new level and starting the HyperCar term. We threw a few others out there like the Pagani and the Bugatti on and on.
Then he asked me what would qualify as a hyperbike, what ticks all the boxes expensive, exclusive, performance and the lust factor. Obviously the 1199 SL and the 1299SL make the list(yes the desmo does also but we were talking within the last 3 years or so), the H2R definitely qualifies and possibly even the H2. The MV Augusta F4 RC should be in the conversation, but if that's the case then so should the Panigale R.
What do you guys think, what's out now that qualifies as a hyperbike? I'm not talking about a build your own because we know that can and has be done, but a bike off the showroom floor that meets the criteria.
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Old Jan 23rd 2017, 06:32 AM   #2
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IMO a hypercar is something that is (state of the art engineering aside) so expensive, that only a very tiny fraction of the population is able to afford it. The Panigale R is expensive (compared to most bikes) but it is still VERY affordable to masses of people.

Also, the performance of a hypercar compared to a supercar is still huge. Most bikes you've listed are still too close in performance to the lesser expensive bikes...with the exception of the H2R maybe, which isn't streetlegal (the hypercars are streetlegal)

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Old Jan 23rd 2017, 11:03 AM   #3
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Pushing the edge of what is technically possible/innovation, price and looks to match. The only two that come to mind is the Honda rc213 and the H2R. They offer innovative tech, price is in order and I wouldn't kick them out of my bed. The SL and everything else you listed is nice but nothing that's pushing the boundaries of what is currently available in the after market.
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Old Jan 23rd 2017, 11:33 AM   #4
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I would say all of the extremely limited production bikes would qualify, 1199SL, 1299SL, MV F4 RC, RSV4 RF-W, RC213V-S, Norton V4-RR, H2R, KTM RC16 and the new CF framed HP4 may qualify as well? I don't think road legality is a qualifying factor.

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Great topic and basically what i was trying to do with the first and second builds. Build 1299 with the best pieces you can. No expense spared. Bike two is more refined in that direction with a lot of "one off" pieces in exotic materials. If I could pull it off, I would do something with the motor above and beyond SBK spec. I had thought a small supercharger would have been cool.
Personally i would not group anything that is out there from the factory as a "hyperbike" as it relates to the Hypercar market. I personally do not look at the La Ferrari or the McLaren as a hypercar only for the fact that Koenigsegg, Bugati (Chiron) Hennessey (Venom) Pagani, SSC etc exist. So I guess "hyper" In a bike for my definition would be something along that line of thinking. I think the Desmo and the new HRC bike were probably supposed to garner something similar to what may be defined as 'Hyper" status but do not really fit as both those machines used a lot of off the shelf production pieces and most certainly skimped on the build pieces. Maybe the current crop of "tech" bikes are "hyperbikes" because I don't think anyone is actively building a motogp spec street bike with lights and a plate.
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Would this qualify?
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Would this qualify?
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The problem with the limited runs you listed is that they are based off current models. A hypercar is it's own model. The new batch of hypercars are pursuing tech and numbers that enthusiast's can't fathom (for a street legal car). There's also the argument that if you're spending 60-80k on a bike you don't want it to be confused with a base model with stickers and carbon add-ons. That is why I don't consider them as hyper bikes. The Honda RC213 cannot be confused with anything else and the H2R is doing something completely different (supercharger) with numbers to back it up.
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Would this qualify?
Kaneda's bike ?
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Originally Posted by cristhian702 View Post
The problem with the limited runs you listed is that they are based off current models. A hypercar is it's own model. The new batch of hypercars are pursuing tech and numbers that enthusiast's can't fathom (for a street legal car). There's also the argument that if you're spending 60-80k on a bike you don't want it to be confused with a base model with stickers and carbon add-ons. That is why I don't consider them as hyper bikes. The Honda RC213 cannot be confused with anything else and the H2R is doing something completely different (supercharger) with numbers to back it up.
I'm not completely convinced that matters. All three mainstay Hypercars (LaFerarri, P1 & 918) all have track only versions. I would assume you would still consider those Hypercars even though they were based off the street model? What if Ducati produced the 1199SL first before the the everyday run of the mill 1199 Panigale. Would the SL be considered a Hyperbike then? The Panigale was cutting edge in 2012 with it's TFT display, frameless chassis, power to weight ratio, etc. IMO, the definition of a Hyperbike would be slightly different from a hypercar. I mean, why wouldn't a 1000CC bike weighing less than 400lbs, making more that 200 horse, able to go 0 - 60 in under 3 sec, run the quarter mile in the 9s, be capable of 200+ MPH sprints and cost more than $80k not be considered a hyperbike?
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